Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Pepper-Spray Creator Decries Use of Chemical A gent on Peaceful Protesters: Democracy Now

A very informative few minutes in this recent segment from Democracy Now.

The developer of weapons-grade pepper-spray, Kamran Loghman, speaks on its intended use and its present misuse, and the failures in 'leadership' that have resulted in things getting as far as they have, and where the use of weapons grade chemical agents are employed to basically shut people up.

Interspersed in the presentation is the now infamous footage of UC Davis cops using pepper spray on the peaceful protesters of the university.

We are also treated to what must be the most shameful spin and presentation on any event of this nature, the equally infamous ''fundamentally a food product'' by Fox News slags, Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly.

Although it is part of the transcript, link below, I think it is more than worthy of being highlighted in its own right before we move on down the page.

Just how disgraceful can two people (my fellow Americans) be?

BILL O’REILLY: First of all pepper spray, that just burns your eyes, right?

MEGAN KELLY: Right, I mean its like a derivative of actual pepper. It’s a food product essentially; but a lot of experts are looking at that and saying is that the real deal, has it been diluted, because …

BILL O’REILLY: Yeah, they should have more of a reaction than that..

MEGAN KELLY: Yeah, that’s really beside the point. I mean, it was something that was obviously abrasive and intrusive and several went to the hospital.

BILL O’REILLY: Right, they just wanted them to get out of there, stop blocking what they were blocking and wanted to scatter them.

MEGAN KELLY: This was on the chancellor’s orders. The chancellor ordered the police to go in and force these students to disburse.

BILL O’REILLY: That’s Linda Catalli or Catay.

MEGAN KELLY: Yes, and it is a crime. They were charged. Ten of them were charged with unlawful assembly and failure to disperse because they were posing a sit-in, you know, a student protest and you can do that. That is very American, but it may also happen to break the law.

BILL O’REILLY: They wanted to get these people off the campus and they didn’t want to lay hands on them so there’s two ways to do this. You can do the pepper spray or, you know, you can physically drag them out of there.

MEGAN KELLY: They then did lay hands on them….

BILL O’REILLY: But you don’t lay hands on someone..

MEGAN KELLY: No, but what I’m saying is the police would respond by saying, you pepper spray first to allow the hands-on part to be less confrontational because you are going to less resistance when you got somebody who just got pepper sprayed. Listen, I know the tape looks bad, I agree it looks bad. All I’m saying is that from a legal standpoint, I don’t know that the cops did anything wrong.

In fact it is so far beyond disgraceful, that I have dug out the full clip of these two shameless shits, which you can now find at the bottom of the page.

Pepper-Spray Creator Decries Use of Chemical Agent on Peaceful Occupy Wall Street Protesters

AMY GOODMAN: We speak with Kamran Loghman, the expert who developed weapons-grade pepper-spray, who says he was shocked at how police have used the chemical agent on non-violent Occupy Wall Street protesters nationwide — including students at University of California, Davis, female protesters in New York City, and an 84-year old activist in Seattle. “I saw it and the first thing that came to my mind wasn’t police or students, it was my own children sitting down having an opinion and they’re being shot and forced by chemical agents,” says Loghman, who in the 1980s helped the FBI develop weapons-grade pepper -spray, and collaborated with police departments to develop guidelines for its use. “The use was just absolutely out of the ordinary and it was not in accordance with any training or policy of any department that I know of. I personally certified 4,000 police officers in the early ‘80s and ‘90s and I have never seen this before. That’s why I was shocked... I feel is my civic duty to explain to the public that this is not what pepper spray was developed for.”


AMY GOODMAN: It’s not unprecedented for an inventor to voice regrets when a creation turns out to have harmful uses. It is widely believed the Swedish industrialist, Alfred Nobel, created the Peace Prize bearing his name in response to feelings of guilt around his invention of dynamite and ballistite, both of which were used in violent acts during his lifetime. The famed physicist, Albert Einstein, was said to be greatly distressed for unintentionally advancing the development of the atomic bomb through his work. Today in the aftermath of the crackdown on Occupy Wall Street protesters nationwide, there is a new name to add to the list, Kamran Loghman. In the 80’s Loghman was the expert responsible with the FBI in developing weapons grade pepper spray. He also collaborated with police departments to develop guidelines for pepper spray’s use. But now after seeing footage of police using pepper spray on non-violent Occupy Wall Street protesters nationwide, including students at UC Davis, protesters with the Occupy movement in New York and 84 year old protester Dora Lee Rainey in Seattle, Kamran Loghman is speaking out against what he calls the most inappropriate and improper use of chemical agents he has ever seen. Loghman will join us in a minute, but first I want to play an excerpt from when the campus police officers at UC Davis pepper sprayed students earlier this month. The students were sitting down during a peaceful protest when officers began pepper spraying them at close range.

AMY GOODMAN: UC Davis police pepper spraying students two weeks ago as they peacefully protested at UC Davis. We’re joined now by Kamran Loghman who helped the FBI develop weapons grade pepper spray in the 80’s and developed guidelines for police departments using the spray. He is joining us from Washington, DC. Welcome to Democracy Now!. Talk about your reaction to the use of the chemical agent that you helped the FBI develop.

KAMRAN LOGHMAN: Shocked and bewilderment. I mean, I saw it and the first thing that came to my mind wasn’t police or students but my own children sitting down, having an opinion, and their being shot and forced by chemical agents.

AMY GOODMAN: How did you develop this in the 80’s? How did you help develop pepper spray, Kamran Loghman?

KAMRAN LOGHMAN: Pepper spray was available in those days as a dog repellant, but it did not have the strength to be a weapon grade product for law enforcement and military application, so it went through a series of research and development and a lot of field testing and by the time it became available, it went under three years of study at the FBI Firearms Training Unit in Virginia and became a standard issue with almost every police department in the United States. I was involved in all the research and development and basically development of the product. more

Nice to know: Foreign Corrupt Practices Act


Anonymous said...

The police should be punished, even though they are only robots with no heart, following evil orders to mace peaceful student protesters in the face. - Elwo

Himself said...

Justice USA.

I suppose you read my tweet on there being no accidents in the US?

Disgusting society.

Himself said...

Anonymous said...

The teen's father, a fifth-grade teacher.

Himself said...

Holland it ain't.

What could possibly go wrong?

Anonymous said...

Shocking images of police violence draw much-needed attention to protests and larger issue of police brutality

Anonymous said...

Beto Arisi

I am from Brazil. Our police is the same model as USA police. They use violence against innocent people, and pay mercenaries to brake things and appears to be vandalism. Our midia make their cover up, and our dumb people believe... Please spread the truth. We are fighting against our corrupt government, high tax, poor basic services, inflation, etc. PLEASE DON'T COME TO BRAZIL FOR WORLDCUP 2014. You propably will be robbed and killed, and the police will do NOTHING to protect you!!! They will cover all crimes to protect the FIFA project.

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